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[ccp4bb]: Twinning problems (again....).



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Dear All,

Not CCP4 I know, but ccp4bb seems to be the best forum to get an intelligent 
response.

The problem is that we appear to be getting twinned crystals, but that 
neither truncate nor the twinning server shows this up.  We have tetragonal 
crystals, apparent space group P41212 or P43212. The crystals show 100% 
incorporation of Se by mass-spec and the fluorescence scan shows a Se edge. 
We collected Se-SAD data sets at the peak wavelength for five crystals, all 
diffracting to 2.8 - 3.0A.  The data was processed with mosflm. Parts of the 
scala and truncate logfiles for one are reproduced below. As you can see, the 
anomalous R merge is lower than the normal R merge, indicating (as I 
understand it) that there is little or no anomalous signal. This (as I also 
understand it) indicates twinning and the twinning cancels out any anomalous 
signal. The truncate output, though, clearly indicates an 
untwinned crystal.


  N 1/resol^2 dmax    Run1    AllRun

   1  0.0128  8.85   0.079   0.079
   2  0.0255  6.26   0.082   0.082
   3  0.0383  5.11   0.082   0.082
   4  0.0511  4.42   0.075   0.075
   5  0.0639  3.96   0.076   0.076
   6  0.0766  3.61   0.078   0.078
   7  0.0894  3.34   0.086   0.086
   8  0.1022  3.13   0.095   0.095
   9  0.1149  2.95   0.111   0.111
 10  0.1275  2.80   0.137   0.137

  Overall            0.082   0.082
 

   N 1/d^2 Dmin(A) Rfac  Rfull   Rcum  Ranom  Nanom    Av_I   SIGMA I/sigma
 
  1 0.0128  8.85 0.079  0.060  0.079  0.058    291   18431.  2824.4   6.5  
  2 0.0255  6.26 0.082  0.064  0.081  0.048    647   11072.  1877.5   5.9  
  3 0.0383  5.11 0.082  0.061  0.081  0.052    877    6824.  1198.3    5.7   
  4 0.0511  4.42 0.075  0.060  0.079  0.043   1084    8979.  1406.5   6.4   
  5 0.0639  3.96 0.076  0.059  0.079  0.039   1241    6881.  1032.3   6.7   
  6 0.0766  3.61 0.078  0.061  0.078  0.040   1383    4751.   740.5    6.4   
  7 0.0894  3.34 0.086  0.066  0.079  0.043   1521    2825.   453.7    6.2   
  8 0.1022  3.13 0.095  0.074  0.080  0.048   1648    1529.   259.4    5.9    
  9 0.1149  2.95 0.111  0.087  0.081  0.054   1744     954.   188.3     5.1 
10 0.1275  2.80 0.137  0.111  0.082   0.061   1826     565.   125.0    4.5   

 Overall:            0.082  0.064  0.082  0.046  12262    4432.   955.9   4.6 
 

 Cumulative intensity distribution (Acentric and centric)
     Z   N(Z)Atheor  N(Z)Acen  N(Z)Ctheor  N(Z)Cen 

        0.0        0.0        0.0        0.0        0.0
        0.1        9.5        9.8      24.8      25.8
        0.2      18.1      18.8      34.5      35.5
        0.3      25.9      26.9      41.6      41.7
        0.4      33.0      34.0      47.3      47.2
        0.5      39.3      39.9      52.1      52.6
        0.6      45.1      45.8      56.1      56.5
        0.7      50.3      51.2      59.7      59.4
        0.8      55.1      56.0      62.9      61.9
        0.9      59.3      60.1      65.7      64.8
        1.0      63.2      64.0      68.3      67.6


The questions are these:

1) Are the crystals twinned, or is there another explanation?
2) If so, why doesn't truncate or the twinning server show this?
3) Can any useful info about the twinning be gained from the above two 
questions?
4) Is there any other way of showing the twinning, without the need to 
collect anomalous data (because otherwise it is going to be a hard slog 
screening to find untwinned crystals)?
5) Back to finding another crystal form?


Many thanks in advance for any help you can give,
Mark Roe.


-- 
Dr. S. M. Roe,
X-Ray Laboratory Manager,
Section of Structural Biology,
Chester Beatty Laboratories,
The Institute of Cancer Research,
237 Fulham Road,
London.
SW3 6JB.

Tel. (+44) 020 7970 6047
Fax. (+44) 020 7970 6051

E-mail roe@icr.ac.uk

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