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Re: [ccp4bb]: Scaling Problems



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Suggestions:

1) Are you sure your space group is P2(1)2(1)2(1) and not P2(1)2(1)2? 
See the posting to the bulletin board from Marilyn Yoder's group on 
Feb. 4, 2003 concerning this possibility.

2) Are you sure that you have two complexes in the unit cell? Do you 
see peaks in a self-rotation map and/or native Patterson map?

3) Are you positive that your second crystal was orthorhombic and not 
monoclinic?

3) It would be nice to see the resolution vs. R-factor plot for the 
Zn anomalous data set, to compare it with the results from the first 
dataset.

Diana

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>I am currently having difficulty scaling data from a protein-DNA crystal.
>Data was collected previously on this crystal form to about 3.2 A.  It
>processed and scaled as orthorombic with cell dimensions of roughly 39,76,
>and 256  A.  Data was more recently collected on an anomalous edge in
>order to obtain experimental phases, which is where the scaling problems
>have arisen.  I am using HKL2000 to index, integrate, and scale the data
>and all help is welcomed and greatly appreciated.
>
>Statistics from Scalepack on a previous occasion of the same crystal form
>at a remote wavelength with little or no anomalous signal.
>
>  Shell Lower Upper Average      Average     Norm. Linear Square
>  limit    Angstrom       I   error   stat. Chi**2  R-fac  R-fac
>       50.00   6.89  4388.1   131.0   114.3  1.885  0.060  0.069
>        6.89   5.47  1113.3    38.6    34.7  1.390  0.082  0.077
>        5.47   4.78   847.5    39.7    37.1  1.116  0.103  0.089
>        4.78   4.34   647.8    41.3    39.6  0.953  0.132  0.109
>        4.34   4.03   610.6    44.4    42.8  0.950  0.149  0.112
>        4.03   3.79   368.0    45.8    45.2  0.818  0.222  0.232
>        3.79   3.60   317.7    50.4    49.9  0.703  0.241  0.212
>        3.60   3.45   454.3    59.6    58.0  0.636  0.164  0.076
>        3.45   3.31   622.2    70.4    68.2  0.547  0.097  0.045
>        3.31   3.20   174.1    72.2    71.9  0.594  0.216  0.132
>   All reflections   1011.6    59.7    56.3  1.020  0.100  0.075
>
>
>
>Spacegroup      P2(1)2(1)2(1)
>Unit Cell       39.821  76.064  256.236
>I/sigma         16.9 (2.4)
>Redundancy      6.5
>Rejections      0.77
>Completeness    97.1% (80.0%)
>
>Molecular replacement attempts were made and a solution obtained.  One of
>the two complexes in the asymmetric unit showed nice electron density for
>both the model used in molecular replacement and sidechains/residues not
>included in the search.  However, the second protein-DNA complex had only
>moderately continuous density for the core of the search model and nearly
>no additional features outside of the search.
>
>Recently, data was collected on the Zn anomalous edge in order to obtain
>experimental phases exploiting the bound Zn ions in the protein.  Indexing
>and integration of the data frames was straight-forward and problem free.
>However, attempts to scale the data have proved very problematic.  Below
>is a similar summary of data from Scalepack at the anomalous wavelength.
>The error scale factor for Scalepack was set at 1.3, which is standard and
>the same as used in the first data collection.  Obviously, the chi^2 and
>rejections are incredibly high.  The detector distance and direct beam
>positions used to index the frames is known to be accurate due to other
>data on other projects collected before and after this data set.  Those
>data sets indexed, integrated, and scaled as normal with no problems.
>Additionally, data was collected on this crystal form at a remote
>wavelength and the data similarly doesn't scale well, so I don't believe
>it to be an issue with separation of anomalous pairs.
>
>      Shell            I/Sigma in resolution shells:
>   Lower Upper      No. of reflections with I / Sigma less than
>   limit limit     0     1     2     3     5    10    20   >20  total
>   50.00  6.24     6    10    21    25    42   124   329  2379   2708
>    6.24  4.96    10    26    40    58   114   299   750  2206   2956
>    4.96  4.33    42    74   120   190   296   604  1311  1713   3024
>    4.33  3.94    30    90   147   222   406   881  1719  1279   2998
>    3.94  3.65    71   166   291   453   761  1424  2379   661   3040
>    3.65  3.44    74   220   471   733  1202  1963  2555   418   2973
>    3.44  3.27   176   509   938  1293  1839  2381  2691   208   2899
>    3.27  3.12   287   917  1536  1900  2293  2594  2805   169   2974
>    3.12  3.00   505  1390  2039  2331  2545  2759  2889    68   2957
>    3.00  2.90   772  1890  2447  2647  2815  2971  3040     5   3045
>  All hkl       1973  5292  8050  9852 12313 16000 20468  9106  29574
>
>Spacegroup      P2(1)2(1)2(1)
>Unit Cell       39.50     75.70   255.29
>I/sigma         23.9 (1.6)
>Redundancy      3.0 (separating anomalous pairs)
>Rejections      12.56%
>Completeness    94.0% (95.3%)
>
>Any suggestions on the source and solution to this problem are greatly
>appreciated.
>
>Paul Shaffer
>Duke University Medical Center
>pls3@duke.edu


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